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Gaggia Espresso vs Gaggia Espresso de Luxe
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Michael
2005-02-05 04:51:31 UTC
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Just discovered that in UK gaggia Espresso and Espresso de Luxe sell
for the same price. But in Whole Latte Love de Luxe is 100$ more.
Anyone can explain to me why de Luxe is better?
chance
2005-02-05 05:21:42 UTC
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Fancy finish, I think. No operational difference.

Maybe some marketing thrown it too....

Chance
Ken Russell
2005-02-05 05:36:06 UTC
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A comparison on the hole Latte Love site shows that the de Luxe has an
Automatic Frother and Turbo Wand. What that means in practice is anyone's
guess :-)
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Post by Michael
Just discovered that in UK gaggia Espresso and Espresso de Luxe sell
for the same price. But in Whole Latte Love de Luxe is 100$ more.
Anyone can explain to me why de Luxe is better?
Randy G.
2005-02-05 06:14:39 UTC
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Post by Ken Russell
A comparison on the hole Latte Love site shows that the de Luxe has an
Automatic Frother and Turbo Wand. What that means in practice is anyone's
guess :-)
If you watch the Paris Hilton video it becomes quite clear! ;-)


Randy "Zoo or no zoo, this I gotta' see!" G.
http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com
Same website - New address
D. Ross
2005-02-05 07:01:03 UTC
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"Michael" <***@gmail.com> wrote:

| Just discovered that in UK gaggia Espresso and Espresso de Luxe sell
| for the same price. But in Whole Latte Love de Luxe is 100$ more.
| Anyone can explain to me why de Luxe is better?

It is crafted out of the purest Luxe.

Seriously, these names vary by country, but I believe that the de Luxe comes
with an autofroth attachment, whereas Luxe-free has a more traditional
frothing wand (plain wand with removable frothing sleeve). Many would say
that the latter is the better option.

- David R.
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Michael
2005-02-05 13:27:39 UTC
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Thanks! And what is the difference betweem Gaggia Espresso and Gaggia
Corezzo?
I couldn't figure out comparing on WWL.
Jack Denver
2005-02-05 15:13:57 UTC
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The plastic shells are different. The innards are the same. Basically,
Gaggia puts the same boiler in all its models but has lots of different
"skins". The only substantial difference is that some models (the more
expensive ones) have 3 way solenoids and others don't. Also some have
autofrother gimmicks.
Post by Michael
Thanks! And what is the difference betweem Gaggia Espresso and Gaggia
Corezzo?
I couldn't figure out comparing on WWL.
Mike Garner
2005-02-05 16:05:37 UTC
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Post by Michael
Thanks! And what is the difference betweem Gaggia Espresso and Gaggia
Corezzo?
I couldn't figure out comparing on WWL.
Style of the case...Gaggia Espresso, Carezza, and Coffee are
functionally and internally the same. Baby and Classic add a three way
valve, but are otherwise the same.

Mike
Michael
2005-02-05 17:02:37 UTC
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I noticed there is one difference. It is the cap warmer on top of the
machine. Does anyone have an experience of how warm is it? Does it heat
the air around very much? I have some woodenshelves on top of the place
where I want to put the Gaggia and am worried it the heat from the cup
warmer will do some damage.
Does it take a long time to heat a cup? Does the warmer become very hot
so there are some dangers? Thanks a lot in advance for any advice.
Cordovero
2005-02-05 18:36:59 UTC
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Even on expensive HX machines, heating cups on top of the machine is, IMHO,
not the most effective, and certainly not my primary, way of heating the
cups.

On any Gaggia, you're going to do one water-only shot to heat up the cups
and get the boiler to cycle, then your espresso shot, and then another
water-only shot to clean the group head. It's that first shot that heats
the cups. A shot of 200 degree water in an espresso cup for 30 seconds will
do more than leaving a cup on top of a machine for an hour or two.

Also, by contrast, most stainless steel HX machines are designed to stay on
all the time, thus heating the cups on top for hours and hours and hours.
While warming up the Gaggia for 30 minutes will significantly improve the
temperature of the portafilter and grouphead, anything above that is a bit
overkill. The whole idea of the small boiler is to have a home machine you
can turn on and off.

In other words, no, the top doesn't get all that hot, and you're probably
not going to be warming your cups taht way; also: I would get the Gaggia
without the turbofrother. The pseudo-panarello steam wand works very well.

Cordo
Post by Michael
I noticed there is one difference. It is the cap warmer on top of the
machine. Does anyone have an experience of how warm is it? Does it heat
the air around very much? I have some woodenshelves on top of the place
where I want to put the Gaggia and am worried it the heat from the cup
warmer will do some damage.
Does it take a long time to heat a cup? Does the warmer become very hot
so there are some dangers? Thanks a lot in advance for any advice.
Michael
2005-02-05 18:51:45 UTC
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Thanks Cordo. Sorry for my ignorance, but which ones do have
turbofrother and which ones the pseudo-panarello steam wand?

I am now hesitating among Gaggia Espresso, Carezza and Baby. I've read
here that Baby contains a different valve, but does it really produce
better shots? Is it worth the extra £50-100 to go for the Baby?
Cordovero
2005-02-05 19:01:40 UTC
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The "Coffee de Luxe" has the turbofrather, and the Coffee has just the
normal wand. I prefer the normal wand.

I have a Gaggia Baby. It does NOT produce better shots. It's a mechanism
for releasing pressure quickly after you've pulled a shot, so that when you
remove the portafilter to dump your spend grounds puck, you don't get
sprayed with pressure/steam/coffee. But the design of all of the Gaggias is
such that the portafiler can be pulled off after a few seconds WITHOUT this
extra valve. If you're on a budget, I would not spend the extra for it.
It's more important on other kinds of machines. And in any case, it has no
effect on the quality of the espresso.

The Gaggia Espresso and the Carezza are essentially the same machine. I'd
choose based on looks. I prefer the looks of the latter, but that's just my
preference.

Cordo


"Michael" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:***@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Thanks Cordo. Sorry for my ignorance, but which ones do have
turbofrother and which ones the pseudo-panarello steam wand?

I am now hesitating among Gaggia Espresso, Carezza and Baby. I've read
here that Baby contains a different valve, but does it really produce
better shots? Is it worth the extra £50-100 to go for the Baby?
D. Ross
2005-02-06 08:16:27 UTC
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| Style of the case...Gaggia Espresso, Carezza, and Coffee are
| functionally and internally the same.

Apparently-inert externals can sometimes make a functional difference, i.e.
cup and steam pitcher clearance, steam wand movability, reservoir size,
noise, etc.

The Espresso and the newer Carezza have alternately defined the low end of
Gaggia's better line (Gran and Topazio are a step down internally). The
older Espresso seems to be marginally better than its newer sibling for the
considerations above.

- David R.
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Michael
2005-02-06 19:16:44 UTC
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I understand that the space between the portofilter and the tray on
Carezza is too small to fit a larger cup. Is it the same on other
models (baby or coffee or espresso) or is it the same?

At the moment I am making espressos in a percolator (by steam) and I
quite like the taste. Of course it is far from a real espresso but
still it is reasonable. However, I make a whole quite a large cup of
this coffee/espresso in the morning and enjoy drinking it all. I just
don't see how to make something similar on a Gaggia. If I make two
double shots, it's too much work and too much coffeine. If I just add
hot water to a double shot line an americano what the taste will really
be? I find americanos at Starbucks taste terrible. And I don't like
milk so no latte too. Does anyone has any experience with this?
Brian Colwell
2005-02-06 22:22:04 UTC
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Post by Michael
I understand that the space between the portofilter and the tray on
Carezza is too small to fit a larger cup. Is it the same on other
models (baby or coffee or espresso) or is it the same?
At the moment I am making espressos in a percolator (by steam) and I
quite like the taste. Of course it is far from a real espresso but
still it is reasonable. However, I make a whole quite a large cup of
this coffee/espresso in the morning and enjoy drinking it all. I just
don't see how to make something similar on a Gaggia. If I make two
double shots, it's too much work and too much coffeine. If I just add
hot water to a double shot line an americano what the taste will really
be? I find americanos at Starbucks taste terrible. And I don't like
milk so no latte too. Does anyone has any experience with this?
From reading some of your posts, I am wondering if you really need an
*espresso machine* ? Have you experimented with other types of coffee
makers, moka pots, french press ect. They might meet your requiements and
would be much less expensive. Just a thought !

Regards,
BMC
D. Ross
2005-02-06 23:45:36 UTC
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| I understand that the space between the portofilter and the tray on
| Carezza is too small to fit a larger cup. Is it the same on other
| models (baby or coffee or espresso) or is it the same?

On the Coffee at least the drip tray grid can be reversed, making a bit more
room. However, there's really no point in using a larger cup, since you
should not be extracting more than 3-4 ounces from a double shot.

| At the moment I am making espressos in a percolator (by steam)

Do you mean a moka pot?

| still it is reasonable. However, I make a whole quite a large cup of
| this coffee/espresso in the morning and enjoy drinking it all. I just
| don't see how to make something similar on a Gaggia.

Or any espresso machine. You can make an Americano (add hot water to the
espresso). On some machines - including commercials - you can make a
Swiss-style caffe creme, by extracting more water through more
coarsely-ground coffee, but this is hit-and-miss on Gaggias The danger is
that if you extract too long from the given amount of coffee you start
extracting undesirable flavors from the coffee.

There's nothing wrong with starting the morning with a mug of moka coffee,
as you have been doing; most Italians do this very thing (though with milk).

| double shots, it's too much work and too much coffeine. If I just add
| hot water to a double shot line an americano what the taste will really
| be?

Like a strong brewed coffee, or a weak caffe creme.

| I find americanos at Starbucks taste terrible.

The blend and roast thet Starbucks uses does not lend itself to Americanos.

- David R.
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Michael
2005-02-07 00:48:19 UTC
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Thanks. Well, I guess I like coffee in several forms. I enjoy a large
mug of moka coffee in the morning as well as I enjoy espresso. One
thing is that I am looking for is to improve the flavor of the moka one
but I would also like to have a possibility of making good espressos. I
guess I am trying to find out what is the best way to make a larger
quantity of good coffee in one mug using a Gaggia machine. Of course I
would like making good espressos too. So what I want to ask is that in
your experience is moka pot made coffee comparable to an Americano
produced by adding hot water to a double shot produced on Gaggia?
Mike Garner
2005-02-07 02:04:55 UTC
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Post by Michael
Thanks. Well, I guess I like coffee in several forms. I enjoy a large
mug of moka coffee in the morning as well as I enjoy espresso. One
thing is that I am looking for is to improve the flavor of the moka one
but I would also like to have a possibility of making good espressos. I
guess I am trying to find out what is the best way to make a larger
quantity of good coffee in one mug using a Gaggia machine. Of course I
would like making good espressos too. So what I want to ask is that in
your experience is moka pot made coffee comparable to an Americano
produced by adding hot water to a double shot produced on Gaggia?
No, they're both good, but entirely different drinks.

If you want moka coffee, use a moka pot.

Mike

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