Clover Extra Rich Milk

[skubapooh]

Hey guys,

I normally use Clover 2% milk in my milk-based espresso drinks. I
find the Clover milk has an inexplicably better taste than most other
milks. However, the other day I was at Caffe Trieste and they use a
Clover "extra rich" milk which was very very good. Anyone know of any
markets that carry the Clover "extra rich"? I haven't seen it yet in
any of the markets I frequent that carry Clover.

Also, anyone else have any other favorite milk? I judge on taste and
of course microfoamability.

Erika

[Sumbuddy]

Post by skubapooh
Hey guys,
I normally use Clover 2% milk in my milk-based espresso drinks. I
find the Clover milk has an inexplicably better taste than most other
milks. However, the other day I was at Caffe Trieste and they use a
Clover "extra rich" milk which was very very good. Anyone know of any
markets that carry the Clover "extra rich"? I haven't seen it yet in
any of the markets I frequent that carry Clover.
Also, anyone else have any other favorite milk? I judge on taste and
of course microfoamability.
Erika

I know of brands called Clover Milk in both California and South Africa.
There are probably other Clover Dairies too. Even California and South
Africa covers a lot of territory. A few more specific geographical clues
might help.

Sumbuddy

[D. Ross]

| > milks. However, the other day I was at Caffe Trieste and they use a
| > Clover "extra rich" milk which was very very good. Anyone know of any
| > markets that carry the Clover "extra rich"? I haven't seen it yet in
| > any of the markets I frequent that carry Clover.

[snip]

| I know of brands called Clover Milk in both California and South Africa.
| There are probably other Clover Dairies too. Even California and South
| Africa covers a lot of territory. A few more specific geographical clues
| might help.

She mentions Caffe Trieste, which means N. Calif. However, the point is
well-taken, the original poster should keep in mind that C-S is a small
regional dairy serving just a tiny corner of this group's readership.

I think I've seen the extra-rich in shops in Petaluma and Sebastopal, which
are near the dairy itself.

US milk seems to be low in milk solids compared with European milk; perhaps
the "extra-rich" is closer to the latter. If I could buy it where I live
I'd give it a (ahem) shot.

- David R.
--
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[Cordovero]

Post by D. Ross
US milk seems to be low in milk solids compared with European milk; perhaps
the "extra-rich" is closer to the latter. If I could buy it where I live
I'd give it a (ahem) shot.

It's actually very complicated. At some point in history (decades ago?),
the states devised a protectionist system for their dairies which involved
regulating milk solid (or milk protein) levels for milk sold in their state.
Thus, if a Wisconsin dairy wanted to sell their milk in California, they'd
have to specially produce the milk.

The variations in milk protein levels for nonfat milk were astonishing. I
grew up in Pennsylvania, and I remember nonfat milk being as thin as water
and bluish in color: very few milk solids. When I moved to California, I
was shocked to find the nonfat milk thick, white, and delicious.

I was reading just a couple of years ago that those state regulations might
go away, and perhaps they already have: I haven't kept up.

I'm pretty sure the Clover Extra rich is actually a higher milk fat content,
though, not milk protein. I think it's 5 or 6 percent fat, instead of the
usual 4% for whole milk.

C

[jim schulman]

On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:24:58 GMT, "Cordovero"

Post by Cordovero
I'm pretty sure the Clover Extra rich is actually a higher milk fat content,
though, not milk protein. I think it's 5 or 6 percent fat, instead of the
usual 4% for whole milk.

I always thought the regular milk in east and mid west supermarkets
tasted thin compared to their European counterparts. I guess that
would be fat rather than solids content. I use a 50/50 micx of whole
and unsweetened evaporated milk to get the same effect.

The odd taste of evaporated milk doesn't seem to harm and may actually
help the flavor of the coffee. It also makes for easier latte-art
style microfoaming, but more difficult cappa foaming. I'm not sure
non-fat evaporated milk has the same properties.

[D. Ross]

| > US milk seems to be low in milk solids compared with European milk;
| perhaps
| > the "extra-rich" is closer to the latter. If I could buy it where I live
| > I'd give it a (ahem) shot.

[snip]

| The variations in milk protein levels for nonfat milk were astonishing. I
| grew up in Pennsylvania, and I remember nonfat milk being as thin as water
| and bluish in color: very few milk solids. When I moved to California, I
| was shocked to find the nonfat milk thick, white, and delicious.

Some of this is probably just the local dairy practice, whether
regulation-induced or otherwise. I have lived in Pennsylvania, a couple of
US dairy states (Wisconsin and Minnesota), travel to California annually,
and also livedin England. None of the US milk (at a comparable fat level)
tasted as rich to me as the milk in England. I have not been able to find
documentation of the relative MSNF (serum solids) content in US vs. Euro
milk, but I think it is something that should be of interest on this
newsgroup.

| I'm pretty sure the Clover Extra rich is actually a higher milk fat content,
| though, not milk protein. I think it's 5 or 6 percent fat, instead of the
| usual 4% for whole milk.

That is possible, and should be easy to confirm once one has sourced some of
this milk, as fat (unlike MSNF) is listed on the carton.

- David R.
--
Less information than you ever thought possible:
http://www.demitasse.net

[Cordovero]

Can't help you offhand with the Clover, but I have tried the various kinds
of milk here in Las Vegas and also in the Bay Area where I used to live, and
since I use nonfat milk, I have found HUGE differences in flavor.

The one that tastes the best, bar none, I don't have on me at the moment,
but it's has "Organic... family farm" in the name. They have it at Wild
Oats and some other places. It tends to cost about ten cents more than
other Organics, but it really is yummy.

C

Post by skubapooh
Hey guys,
I normally use Clover 2% milk in my milk-based espresso drinks. I
find the Clover milk has an inexplicably better taste than most other
milks. However, the other day I was at Caffe Trieste and they use a
Clover "extra rich" milk which was very very good. Anyone know of any
markets that carry the Clover "extra rich"? I haven't seen it yet in
any of the markets I frequent that carry Clover.
Also, anyone else have any other favorite milk? I judge on taste and
of course microfoamability.
Erika

[DrEspresso]

Clover milk in the Bay Area is a Co-op of dairies, mostly in the North Bay.
You have to order it from the dairy or from the driver as most stores don't
carry the extra-rich. All Clover products also specify no growth hormones
are used.

Post by skubapooh
Hey guys,
I normally use Clover 2% milk in my milk-based espresso drinks. I
find the Clover milk has an inexplicably better taste than most other
milks. However, the other day I was at Caffe Trieste and they use a
Clover "extra rich" milk which was very very good. Anyone know of any
markets that carry the Clover "extra rich"? I haven't seen it yet in
any of the markets I frequent that carry Clover.
Also, anyone else have any other favorite milk? I judge on taste and
of course microfoamability.
Erika

[Cordovero]

In that case, the original poster should try Whole Foods. I'm pretty sure
I've seen the extra rich Clover there.

C

Post by DrEspresso
Clover milk in the Bay Area is a Co-op of dairies, mostly in the North Bay.
You have to order it from the dairy or from the driver as most stores don't
carry the extra-rich. All Clover products also specify no growth hormones
are used.

Post by skubapooh
Hey guys,
I normally use Clover 2% milk in my milk-based espresso drinks. I
find the Clover milk has an inexplicably better taste than most other
milks. However, the other day I was at Caffe Trieste and they use a
Clover "extra rich" milk which was very very good. Anyone know of any
markets that carry the Clover "extra rich"? I haven't seen it yet in
any of the markets I frequent that carry Clover.
Also, anyone else have any other favorite milk? I judge on taste and
of course microfoamability.
Erika

[Anthony Leverock]

Post by skubapooh
Hey guys,
I normally use Clover 2% milk in my milk-based espresso drinks. I
find the Clover milk has an inexplicably better taste than most other
milks. However, the other day I was at Caffe Trieste and they use a
Clover "extra rich" milk which was very very good. Anyone know of any
markets that carry the Clover "extra rich"? I haven't seen it yet in
any of the markets I frequent that carry Clover.
Also, anyone else have any other favorite milk? I judge on taste and
of course microfoamability.
Erika

Do you know if the "extra rich" has a higher milkfat content? If so, I
wonder what it is equivalent to when compared to the other
brands...whole milk? Or maybe something between whole and 2% ?

- --
Anthony

[espresso123]

Post by Anthony Leverock

Post by skubapooh
Hey guys,
I normally use Clover 2% milk in my milk-based espresso drinks. I
find the Clover milk has an inexplicably better taste than most other
milks. However, the other day I was at Caffe Trieste and they use a
Clover "extra rich" milk which was very very good. Anyone know of any
markets that carry the Clover "extra rich"? I haven't seen it yet in
any of the markets I frequent that carry Clover.
Also, anyone else have any other favorite milk? I judge on taste and
of course microfoamability.
Erika

Do you know if the "extra rich" has a higher milkfat content? If so, I
wonder what it is equivalent to when compared to the other
brands...whole milk? Or maybe something between whole and 2% ?
- --
Anthony

Clover extra rich milk is carried in upscale markets like Dreagers in
San Mateo. I think the fat content is ~6%. The bottles have a
yellow/green label and the regular whole milk has a red/green label.
At home I have made cappuccinos using the Clover extra rich milk and I
didn't like it, just too rich for me.

[skubapooh]

It appears they have the Extra Rich Clover in Draeger's, Molly Stone's
and some PW Markets. I find it has a nuttier flavor than the regular
whole milk which works great in a cappuccino. It does have a higher
fat content than the whole milk so I probably won't buy it on a
regular basis. But it is a nice treat and since I only use about 2
oz. milk per drink, I don't feel that guilty about it.

Erika

[j***@gmail.com]

Sometimes Oliver's in Cotati has it....used to buy all the time @ Olivers