For those lookin for a Bunn ES-1A...

[Robert Harmon]

It's in Canada, but the price is OK. I estimated the shipping to be ~$130,
shipped to Houston.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140164448019

[lockjaw]

Post by Robert Harmon
It's in Canada, but the price is OK. I estimated the shipping to be ~$130,
shipped to Houston.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140164448019
--
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An orphan, no longer made.

bunn now makes only supers.

dave

910 616 0980

[Tex]

It's in Canada, but the price is OK. I estimated the shipping to be ~
$130,
shipped to Houston.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140164448019

--
Robert Harmon
--
http://www.tinyurl.com/mb4uj - My coffee pages.
http://www.tinyurl.com/2tnv87 - My 'Guidelines For Newbies' page.
http://www.tinyurl.com/2cr3e2 - I have things for sale here.
http://www.tinyurl.com/235dfr - BUG is Bunn User's Group (espresso)

[lockjaw]

Damn, tex, I'd jump on that one.

[Jack Denver]

ES-1A has a reputation as being one of the worst machines ever built, so buy
at your own risk.

I like that ebay has "translated" the listing from the original Canuckish.
It's amazing how good machine translation has become - you'd swear it was
written in English originally.

Post by Robert Harmon
It's in Canada, but the price is OK. I estimated the shipping to be ~$130,
shipped to Houston.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140164448019
--
Robert Harmon
--
http://www.tinyurl.com/mb4uj - My coffee pages.
http://www.tinyurl.com/2tnv87 - My 'Guidelines For Newbies' page.
http://www.tinyurl.com/2cr3e2 - I have things for sale here.
http://www.tinyurl.com/235dfr - BUG is Bunn User's Group (espresso)

[Robert Harmon]

Howdy Jack!
I can't figure why they'd have that reputation? The build quality is great;
in fact I'd say on a par with the LM & Cimbali brands. It's only drawback as
a commercial machine is one of the things that makes it desirable as a home
machine, namely, it has a relatively small boiler in comparison to other
single-group commercial machines. While that *might* be detrimental in a
busy environment it makes it nice for a home situation (as in - quick to get
to temp) where it's not powered up 24/7.

All parts used in the machine are straight from the Faema/Futurmat products
and are top-of-the-line items. Take the group - it's a stock Faema E61-type;
massive and temp stable with it's thermo-siphon, and the preinfusion feature
is a definite plus.

No, if the exact machine were made today with a premier label, it'd be
selling for ~$3000 and would be highly rated. In fact, I can't think of
*any* HX machines that can outperform it.
--
Robert Harmon
--
http://www.tinyurl.com/mb4uj - My coffee pages.

http://www.tinyurl.com/2tnv87 - My 'Guidelines For Newbies' page.

http://www.tinyurl.com/2cr3e2 - I have things for sale here.

http://www.tinyurl.com/235dfr - BUG is Bunn User's Group (espresso)

Post by Jack Denver
ES-1A has a reputation as being one of the worst machines ever built, so
buy at your own risk.
I like that ebay has "translated" the listing from the original Canuckish.
It's amazing how good machine translation has become - you'd swear it was
written in English originally.

Post by Robert Harmon
It's in Canada, but the price is OK. I estimated the shipping to be
~$130, shipped to Houston.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140164448019
--
Robert Harmon
--
http://www.tinyurl.com/mb4uj - My coffee pages.
http://www.tinyurl.com/2tnv87 - My 'Guidelines For Newbies' page.
http://www.tinyurl.com/2cr3e2 - I have things for sale here.
http://www.tinyurl.com/235dfr - BUG is Bunn User's Group (espresso)

[lockjaw]

There's a TON of fine used HX machines waiting for homes out there --
made by vendors that still sell them. (but that would be too easy)

and if you were using UPS rates as the shipping factor? and this is
shipped via UPS?

well, good luck, tex.

[JoeP]

Post by lockjaw
There's a TON of fine used HX machines waiting for homes out there --
made by vendors that still sell them. (but that would be too easy)
and if you were using UPS rates as the shipping factor? and this is
shipped via UPS?
well, good luck, tex.

Sound Advise Dave,

I used to Love my Pasquini Livietta, it made great espresso and was
built like a tank. The real Bummer came when I had to replace parts,
not exotic parts but just common parts- seals, gaskets, etc. turns out
they come from switzerland-Olympia makes it. Not only that, but the
company was out of buisness for a short time. When I switched to
Bezzera support, parts, extra's (Tampers,blind porta filter's, etc.)
became so much easier to find and aquire. Now I have an Elektra T1
which is superior to the Bunn ES-1A, IMO. I saw several (more than 4)
Bunn ES-1A's sitting on the racks at Jim Duke's in San Diego, so if
you end up buying on I would give them a call to see if the can sell
you a spare for parts. At that point, I would find it hard to purchase
something that might break without an economical way of fixing it.

Joe
www.greencoffeebuyingclub.com

[Tex]

There's a huge difference between finding parts for prosumer machines
& less well known commercial brands and Gaggia of Spain machines which
are very main-stream and easily repaired with off the shelf parts.
I've never had problems finding parts for my ES-1A (not that it's EVER
needed anything too exotic). There are several places that stock
Futurmat, ItalCrem, etc,. parts and they're usually pretty cheap. I
believe the low prices are because the parts are OEM for so many
machines. The E61 group is a standard Faema group and is one of the
most commonly used in commercial machines.

So far Cafe Parts has had everything I've needed and if all else
fails, parts are available from Ascaso in Spain (albeit with a 300
Euro minimum purchase).

RH

Post by JoeP

Post by lockjaw
There's a TON of fine used HX machines waiting for homes out there --
made by vendors that still sell them. (but that would be too easy)
and if you were using UPS rates as the shipping factor? and this is
shipped via UPS?
well, good luck, tex.

Sound Advise Dave,
I used to Love my Pasquini Livietta, it made great espresso and was
built like a tank. The real Bummer came when I had to replace parts,
not exotic parts but just common parts- seals, gaskets, etc. turns out
they come from switzerland-Olympia makes it. Not only that, but the
company was out of buisness for a short time. When I switched to
Bezzera support, parts, extra's (Tampers,blind porta filter's, etc.)
became so much easier to find and aquire. Now I have an Elektra T1
which is superior to the Bunn ES-1A, IMO. I saw several (more than 4)
Bunn ES-1A's sitting on the racks at Jim Duke's in San Diego, so if
you end up buying on I would give them a call to see if the can sell
you a spare for parts. At that point, I would find it hard to purchase
something that might break without an economical way of fixing it.
Joewww.greencoffeebuyingclub.com

[D. Ross]

"Robert Harmon" <***@earthlink.net> wrote:

| Howdy Jack!
| I can't figure why they'd have that reputation?

I suspect Jack's opinion was heavily influenced by oft-repeated statements
by a highly-regarded long-time poster who for many years was a repair
technician for these machines.

I had the chance to buy one in excellent condition for under $200 two years
ago, and decided against it for this reason.

- David R.
--
Less information than you ever thought possible:
http://www.demitasse.net

[Jack Denver]

David is of course correct - I have no personal experience with these
machines but I respect the word of that poster (Terry M) - you can search
the archives for ES-1 and see what he had to say about them. It was not
favorable.

The machines are, as the others have pointed out, really products of the
Gaggia Spain company , maker of Futurmat, Italcrem/Visacrem, etc. (and for
decades un- affiliated with Gaggia of Italy - if anything the parts resemble
Faema more than Gaggia) It may be that these machines do not stand up well
to the long term rigors of full commercial service but are adequate for home
use.

Post by D. Ross
| Howdy Jack!
| I can't figure why they'd have that reputation?
I suspect Jack's opinion was heavily influenced by oft-repeated statements
by a highly-regarded long-time poster who for many years was a repair
technician for these machines.
I had the chance to buy one in excellent condition for under $200 two years
ago, and decided against it for this reason.
- David R.
--
http://www.demitasse.net

[D. Ross]

"Jack Denver" <***@netscape.net> wrote:

| David is of course correct - I have no personal experience with these
| machines but I respect the word of that poster (Terry M) - you can search
| the archives for ES-1 and see what he had to say about them. It was not
| favorable.
|
| The machines are, as the others have pointed out, really products of the
| Gaggia Spain company , maker of Futurmat, Italcrem/Visacrem, etc. (and for
| decades un- affiliated with Gaggia of Italy - if anything the parts resemble
| Faema more than Gaggia) It may be that these machines do not stand up well
| to the long term rigors of full commercial service but are adequate for home
| use.

Here's what Al Critzer once said along these lines:

"These machines are particularly susceptible to clogging due to
hardness, refill failure and element death. Component placement in
relation to the boiler is a problem that didn't wait too long to
happen. Still, all in all, a passable home machine, given the owner's
proclivity for maintenance and repair, and the low price usually
commanded by 5 year old machines. Parts are relatively generic,
although failure of the control board would render the machine
unworthy of repair, given the cost. These machines are best relegated to
ownership by a technician."

- David R.
--
Less information than you ever thought possible:
http://www.demitasse.net

[Coffee Contact]

Post by Jack Denver
David is of course correct - I have no personal experience with these
machines but I respect the word of that poster (Terry M) - you can search
the archives for ES-1 and see what he had to say about them. It was not
favorable.
The machines are, as the others have pointed out, really products of the
Gaggia Spain company , maker of Futurmat, Italcrem/Visacrem, etc. (and
for decades un- affiliated with Gaggia of Italy - if anything the parts
resemble Faema more than Gaggia) It may be that these machines do not
stand up well to the long term rigors of full commercial service but are
adequate for home use.

The ES1-A is probably the best machine that Bunn sold and was one of the
first commercial espresso machine I owned. Since then I have had 4 others
(taken in trade). I have repaired dozens of Bunnespress and scrapped almost
as many. There are still two in service locally at very low volume
locations. One of the 'Starship Enterprise' groupheads lives on my desk as
a paperweight.

The Bunn espresso project was a complete disaster. The machines were
sold by restaurant supply houses, usually installed with no softener by
technicians who knew nothing about espresso. When the machines broke the
customers were given no warranty because of 'scale damage'. After a very
short period of time Bunn dropped the line and quit stocking parts leaving
their customers 'hanging'.

The machines themselves are probably no worse than other low-end
inexpensive Spanish machines. The water and steam valves are tiny 'pin and
ball' type which fail very often (but are easily repaired) and are connected
to the boiler by a silicone tube (not Teflon). The check valve is very
lightweight, The electronic boxes failed much more frequently than those in
the Italian and French machines and were much more expensive. The hi-temp
cut outs seemed to be an afterthought, held onto the boiler with a giant
hose-clamp.

I have always suggested that rebuilding a small commercial espresso
machine is a worthwhile project for home espresso enthusiasts and have
helped many alties with their projects. If someone finds a lightly used
ES-1A needing no repairs they might be pleased with it for the home.
However looking at the long run I would advise choosing another machine as a
'project', better to put parts and labour into a quality machine that will
survive long enough to become a 'classic'.

Terry M
***@yahoo.com

[Robert Harmon]

Howdy Terry!
Wow, that's the best explanation I've seen to date of why the ES-1A had such
a poor reputation. Thanks for the insight. Your comment about them often
being installed without a calcium filtering system was 100% correct - a
problem that still exists all too often. Last month I took a look at a
coffee house & their machine problems. Looking around I see a nice GE water
softener that someone had bypassed. When the systems were installed it had
two water paths; the normal one through the WS and another that bypassed
it when maintenance was needed. The bypass system operated manually via a
three-way valve. The valve was turned to deliver mains water to the
machines. I asked the owner if he'd been having problems with the WS system.
He said no, it's working just the way it has since the plumber installed it
three years ago. It seems the plumber had never switched the water over to
the WS system!

No, I'm not surprised that machines are screwed up by poor tech support - in
fact I don't understand why owners let them get away with it as much as they
do. One thing I do is educate the owners about how to take care of their own
machines, eschewing tech support altogether. Since this is my hobby and not
my vocation I'm able to spend more time getting the message across than a
service tech could afford to.

BTW; the hose clamp around the boiler is a source of several running jokes
among ES-1A owners. Susan Matthewman just took possession on an ES-1A that
actually has the hi-limit tstats attached to the boiler as they're shown in
the parts list manual. That's the first one I've seen (of 15 that I know of)
that didn't use the clamp (which actually does a good job) to secure the
tstats.

Thanks again for the perspective!
--
Robert Harmon
--
http://www.tinyurl.com/mb4uj - My coffee pages.

http://www.tinyurl.com/2tnv87 - My 'Guidelines For Newbies' page.

http://www.tinyurl.com/2cr3e2 - I have things for sale here.

http://www.tinyurl.com/235dfr - BUG is Bunn User's Group (espresso)

Post by Coffee Contact

Post by Jack Denver
David is of course correct - I have no personal experience with these
machines but I respect the word of that poster (Terry M) - you can
search the archives for ES-1 and see what he had to say about them. It
was not favorable.
The machines are, as the others have pointed out, really products of the
Gaggia Spain company , maker of Futurmat, Italcrem/Visacrem, etc. (and
for decades un- affiliated with Gaggia of Italy - if anything the parts
resemble Faema more than Gaggia) It may be that these machines do not
stand up well to the long term rigors of full commercial service but are
adequate for home use.

The ES1-A is probably the best machine that Bunn sold and was one of
the first commercial espresso machine I owned. Since then I have had 4
others (taken in trade). I have repaired dozens of Bunnespress and
scrapped almost as many. There are still two in service locally at very
low volume locations. One of the 'Starship Enterprise' groupheads lives
on my desk as a paperweight.
The Bunn espresso project was a complete disaster. The machines were
sold by restaurant supply houses, usually installed with no softener by
technicians who knew nothing about espresso. When the machines broke the
customers were given no warranty because of 'scale damage'. After a very
short period of time Bunn dropped the line and quit stocking parts leaving
their customers 'hanging'.
The machines themselves are probably no worse than other low-end
inexpensive Spanish machines. The water and steam valves are tiny 'pin
and ball' type which fail very often (but are easily repaired) and are
connected to the boiler by a silicone tube (not Teflon). The check valve
is very lightweight, The electronic boxes failed much more frequently
than those in the Italian and French machines and were much more
expensive. The hi-temp cut outs seemed to be an afterthought, held onto
the boiler with a giant hose-clamp.
I have always suggested that rebuilding a small commercial espresso
machine is a worthwhile project for home espresso enthusiasts and have
helped many alties with their projects. If someone finds a lightly used
ES-1A needing no repairs they might be pleased with it for the home.
However looking at the long run I would advise choosing another machine as
a 'project', better to put parts and labour into a quality machine that
will survive long enough to become a 'classic'.
Terry M

[Jack Denver]

I think the real Achilles heel in these machines is the electronics - the
mechanical/ electrical stuff is more or less repairable, but a dead circuit
board spells the end unless you can find a donor machine w/ say a cracked
boiler that can be salvaged for the electronic parts.

Post by Coffee Contact

Post by Jack Denver
David is of course correct - I have no personal experience with these
machines but I respect the word of that poster (Terry M) - you can
search the archives for ES-1 and see what he had to say about them. It
was not favorable.
The machines are, as the others have pointed out, really products of the
Gaggia Spain company , maker of Futurmat, Italcrem/Visacrem, etc. (and
for decades un- affiliated with Gaggia of Italy - if anything the parts
resemble Faema more than Gaggia) It may be that these machines do not
stand up well to the long term rigors of full commercial service but are
adequate for home use.

The ES1-A is probably the best machine that Bunn sold and was one of
the first commercial espresso machine I owned. Since then I have had 4
others (taken in trade). I have repaired dozens of Bunnespress and
scrapped almost as many. There are still two in service locally at very
low volume locations. One of the 'Starship Enterprise' groupheads lives
on my desk as a paperweight.
The Bunn espresso project was a complete disaster. The machines were
sold by restaurant supply houses, usually installed with no softener by
technicians who knew nothing about espresso. When the machines broke the
customers were given no warranty because of 'scale damage'. After a very
short period of time Bunn dropped the line and quit stocking parts leaving
their customers 'hanging'.
The machines themselves are probably no worse than other low-end
inexpensive Spanish machines. The water and steam valves are tiny 'pin
and ball' type which fail very often (but are easily repaired) and are
connected to the boiler by a silicone tube (not Teflon). The check valve
is very lightweight, The electronic boxes failed much more frequently
than those in the Italian and French machines and were much more
expensive. The hi-temp cut outs seemed to be an afterthought, held onto
the boiler with a giant hose-clamp.
I have always suggested that rebuilding a small commercial espresso
machine is a worthwhile project for home espresso enthusiasts and have
helped many alties with their projects. If someone finds a lightly used
ES-1A needing no repairs they might be pleased with it for the home.
However looking at the long run I would advise choosing another machine as
a 'project', better to put parts and labour into a quality machine that
will survive long enough to become a 'classic'.
Terry M

[Tex]

Post by Jack Denver
I think the real Achilles heel in these machines is the electronics - the
mechanical/ electrical stuff is more or less repairable, but a dead circuit
board spells the end unless you can find a donor machine w/ say a cracked
boiler that can be salvaged for the electronic parts.

Post by Coffee Contact

Post by Jack Denver
David is of course correct - I have no personal experience with these
machines but I respect the word of that poster (Terry M) - you can
search the archives for ES-1 and see what he had to say about them. It
was not favorable.
The machines are, as the others have pointed out, really products of the
Gaggia Spain company , maker of Futurmat, Italcrem/Visacrem, etc. (and
for decades un- affiliated with Gaggia of Italy - if anything the parts
resemble Faema more than Gaggia) It may be that these machines do not
stand up well to the long term rigors of full commercial service but are
adequate for home use.

The ES1-A is probably the best machine that Bunn sold and was one of
the first commercial espresso machine I owned. Since then I have had 4
others (taken in trade). I have repaired dozens of Bunnespress and
scrapped almost as many. There are still two in service locally at very
low volume locations. One of the 'Starship Enterprise' groupheads lives
on my desk as a paperweight.
The Bunn espresso project was a complete disaster. The machines were
sold by restaurant supply houses, usually installed with no softener by
technicians who knew nothing about espresso. When the machines broke the
customers were given no warranty because of 'scale damage'. After a very
short period of time Bunn dropped the line and quit stocking parts leaving
their customers 'hanging'.
The machines themselves are probably no worse than other low-end
inexpensive Spanish machines. The water and steam valves are tiny 'pin
and ball' type which fail very often (but are easily repaired) and are
connected to the boiler by a silicone tube (not Teflon). The check valve
is very lightweight, The electronic boxes failed much more frequently

Right Jack, and that's why, whenever someone asks me about buying any
used machine, I always tell them to have the seller confirm that the
electrics work as designed. That way if there's a problem the buyer
will have some recourse from the eBay/PayPal buyer's protection
policies (excellent IMHO).

Oh, and so far, of the dozen or so ES-1A's I keep track of on a
regular basis, not one has had a brain failure. Two had problems with
the touch-pad assembly, one had a failed motor, another three had dead
solenoids. That's it so far - not bad for machines made 13 years ago.
One of the things Bunn/Futurmat did right was put an aluminum plate
between the boiler & the brain's box, that keeps water & heat away
from the sensitive parts. And I do know of a dozen or so non-
functioning ES-1A's around the country that can be pirated for parts.

But, you're correct in stating the electronics are the most vulnerable
part of the Bunn ES-1A; but that could be said of any automatic,
right. They need to be protected from heat & water at all times. But
I'm sitting here looking at an IC board from a Bunn and I don't see
anything that'd make it more vulnerable than the one sitting next to
it that I just pulled from the Mac Digit I have. Maybe there's poor
quality solder used, or maybe the boards are made of inferior
materials and I guess if I was curious enough I could do some
destructive testing of each to get a valid comparison - Nah that'd be
dumb, wouldn't it? I think I'll just run it 'til it breaks & then fix
it, because as my wife's always telling me, "It ain't rocket
science!".

RH

Post by Jack Denver

Post by Coffee Contact
than those in the Italian and French machines and were much more
expensive. The hi-temp cut outs seemed to be an afterthought, held onto
the boiler with a giant hose-clamp.
I have always suggested that rebuilding a small commercial espresso
machine is a worthwhile project for home espresso enthusiasts and have
helped many alties with their projects. If someone finds a lightly used
ES-1A needing no repairs they might be pleased with it for the home.
However looking at the long run I would advise choosing another machine as
a 'project', better to put parts and labour into a quality machine that
will survive long enough to become a 'classic'.
Terry M

[lockjaw]

. . . . .advise choosing another machine as a
'project', better to put parts and labour into a quality machine that will
survive long enough to become a 'classic'.
Terry M

harmon:

takes a position of loving a machine nobody wants and talks about it
ad nauseaum.

If the bunn semis had been a success, why are they not selling them?

but it is Good for getting the attention 'tex' wants from this ng.

there are MILLION fine Italian machines that would make excellent
candidates for an overhaul. -- but then -- there would not be any
controversy!


dave
www.hitechespresso.com

[d***@verizon.net]

Jack,

I believe that if I were to remove the skin from my Bunn ES-1A, you
would not be able to to differentiate it from any other small HX pro
machine. So far, my restoration efforts have called for inexpensive,
non-proprietary parts - the same one's I'd buy for any other quality
machine.

It was suggested that I not buy a Mitsubishi Eclipse years ago - they
had a bad reputation. I sold mine after driving it for 168,000 miles
(needed a car with room for a baby seat). Most enjoyable & reliable
car I've owned to date.

Wanna know how much I enjoy the ES-1A? I had to upgrade my vehicle..
I WON'T upgrade my espresso machine!

Best,

Dave
+++++++++++++++++++++++++

Post by Jack Denver
ES-1A has a reputation as being one of the worst machines ever built, so buy
at your own risk.
I like that ebay has "translated" the listing from the original Canuckish.
It's amazing how good machine translation has become - you'd swear it was
written in English originally.

Post by Robert Harmon
It's in Canada, but the price is OK. I estimated the shipping to be ~$130,
shipped to Houston.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140164448019
--
Robert Harmon
--
http://www.tinyurl.com/mb4uj- My coffee pages.
http://www.tinyurl.com/2tnv87- My 'Guidelines For Newbies' page.
http://www.tinyurl.com/2cr3e2- I have things for sale here.
http://www.tinyurl.com/235dfr- BUG is Bunn User's Group (espresso)

[lockjaw]

Post by d***@verizon.net
It was suggested that I not buy a Mitsubishi Eclipse years ago - they
had a bad reputation. I sold mine after driving it for 168,000 miles
(needed a car with room for a baby seat). Most enjoyable & reliable
car I've owned to date.

ONE good experience does not make anything necessarily a good bet.

dave

[d***@verizon.net]

Post by lockjaw

Post by d***@verizon.net
It was suggested that I not buy a Mitsubishi Eclipse years ago - they
had a bad reputation. I sold mine after driving it for 168,000 miles
(needed a car with room for a baby seat). Most enjoyable & reliable
car I've owned to date.

ONE good experience does not make anything necessarily a good bet.
dave

FACT 1: I loved that car & it performed flawlessly for me for over a
decade.
FACT 2: I love my Bunn ES-1A. I've only had it for a few months, but
so far, so good - amazing espresso in my kitchen.
FACT 3: I'm reading that many folks are very disappointed with their
shiny new La Marzocca GS3
FACT 4: Lots of bitching about the beat-all-to-end-all iPhone

FACT 2 yet again: I love my Bunn ES-1A *

* That's all I need!

Cheers,

David

[Tex]

Howdy David!
If I was looking to buy a car (or espresso machine), I'd be looking
for someone like you to give me feedback on their own experiences, not
some rumor of something someone may or may not have heard from someone
who may or may not actually exist.

Actual experiences are invaluable. Bad mouthing something you've never
seen or used is just diarrhea of the mouth!

RH

Post by d***@verizon.net
Jack,
I believe that if I were to remove the skin from my Bunn ES-1A, you
would not be able to to differentiate it from any other small HX pro
machine. So far, my restoration efforts have called for inexpensive,
non-proprietary parts - the same one's I'd buy for any other quality
machine.
It was suggested that I not buy a Mitsubishi Eclipse years ago - they
had a bad reputation. I sold mine after driving it for 168,000 miles
(needed a car with room for a baby seat). Most enjoyable & reliable
car I've owned to date.
Wanna know how much I enjoy the ES-1A? I had to upgrade my vehicle..
I WON'T upgrade my espresso machine!
Best,
Dave
+++++++++++++++++++++++++

Post by Jack Denver
ES-1A has a reputation as being one of the worst machines ever built, so buy
at your own risk.
I like that ebay has "translated" the listing from the original Canuckish.
It's amazing how good machine translation has become - you'd swear it was
written in English originally.

Post by Robert Harmon
It's in Canada, but the price is OK. I estimated the shipping to be ~$130,
shipped to Houston.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140164448019
--
Robert Harmon
--
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[*alan*]

Post by Robert Harmon
It's in Canada, but the price is OK. I estimated the shipping to be ~$130,
shipped to Houston.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140164448019
--
Robert Harmon

$130.00 shipping? Just out of curiosity, I picked a Houston zip code at
random (77007) and asked the seller (as his ad advises). Pasted below is
his reply:

"ups says that it may cost as much as $250 to $350 depending on the
service."
- pmunn1"

(I guess the seller is figuring in a LOT of handling . . . )

--
alan

[Robert Harmon]

See Alan, that's the difference between doers & talkers. I estimated the
shipping weight at 120 pounds (weight of machine & accessories plus double
carton packing) and went to the DHL, UPS, & FedEx web sites and got my own
estimates to ship it by ground from Toronto, Canada to Houston, Texas.

Goes to show you why you should always do your own homework & not copy off
of others.
--
Robert Harmon
--
http://www.tinyurl.com/mb4uj - My coffee pages.

http://www.tinyurl.com/2tnv87 - My 'Guidelines For Newbies' page.

http://www.tinyurl.com/2cr3e2 - I have things for sale here.

http://www.tinyurl.com/235dfr - BUG is Bunn User's Group (espresso)

Post by *alan*

Post by Robert Harmon
It's in Canada, but the price is OK. I estimated the shipping to be
~$130, shipped to Houston.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140164448019
--
Robert Harmon

$130.00 shipping? Just out of curiosity, I picked a Houston zip code at
random (77007) and asked the seller (as his ad advises). Pasted below is
"ups says that it may cost as much as $250 to $350 depending on the
service."
- pmunn1"
(I guess the seller is figuring in a LOT of handling . . . )
--
alan

[lockjaw]

Now 'ol tex is insulting others besides 'lil old me.

I've seen what UPS, Fedex and who? dhl can do to a 100 lb machine
inside a box.

We'll all be holding our breath to hear how tex does with this
orphan. and I'm sure he'll add a link to it. Oh wait! He's not
allowed on eBay.

And you know what? somewhere there is a Yugo (remember that car?)
that still runs well, too!


DAVE

[Flasherly]

Post by lockjaw
Now 'ol tex is insulting others besides 'lil old me.
I've seen what UPS, Fedex and who? dhl can do to a 100 lb machine
inside a box.

Double-boxed as often as not if it's going to be insured. Heavy,
oversized, may involve an another provider.

I stuck in my shirt pocket an invoice from a box shipped cross-
country, west to east coast, and went to a UPS authorized packaging
center. Called the merchant beforehand. "Take it to them," he said,
"UPS wants your business and will give you a good rate."

$50 from UPS provided forms and determinations, is what they came up
with for me.

Pulled out the merchant's invoice for $19, he paid shipping to me, and
said why. Aback, they took the merchant's ph# off the invoice, and
called him for his shipping account to charge the shipping. I lost
interest in why during the conversation, thanked him, and left.

[Tex]

I've shipped heavy packages all over the world using DHL, UPS, &
FedEx, and can only recall two instances when anything was damaged. It
happens, but it's rare. Geez folks, do you think they could stay in
business damaging customer's goods?

In fact, I just shipped a commercial espresso machine to Milwaukee via
UPS. It was double boxed and padded with expanding foam in both boxes
and the total weight was 142#, just under the 150# UPS limit. It got
to it's destination in great shape & I wouldn't hesitate to use UPS
again.

That doesn't mean I'll use them to package my stuff; that would be an
added cost & I doubt the workers in the UPS Stores know enough about
packaging to protect my valuable goods.

Robert Harmon
--
http://www.tinyurl.com/mb4uj - My coffee pages.
http://www.tinyurl.com/2tnv87 - My 'Guidelines For Newbies' page.
http://www.tinyurl.com/2cr3e2 - I have things for sale here.
http://www.tinyurl.com/235dfr - BUG is Bunn User's Group (espresso)

Post by Flasherly

Post by lockjaw
Now 'ol tex is insulting others besides 'lil old me.
I've seen what UPS, Fedex and who? dhl can do to a 100 lb machine
inside a box.

Double-boxed as often as not if it's going to be insured. Heavy,
oversized, may involve an another provider.
I stuck in my shirt pocket an invoice from a box shipped cross-
country, west to east coast, and went to a UPS authorized packaging
center. Called the merchant beforehand. "Take it to them," he said,
"UPS wants your business and will give you a good rate."
$50 from UPS provided forms and determinations, is what they came up
with for me.
Pulled out the merchant's invoice for $19, he paid shipping to me, and
said why. Aback, they took the merchant's ph# off the invoice, and
called him for his shipping account to charge the shipping. I lost
interest in why during the conversation, thanked him, and left.

[Flasherly]

Last couple items that didn't come UPS were a large-boxed, flat panel
LCD and a 60gal. air compressor. Items not about speed or tracking.
UPS rate increases occurred not long ago, after another major fuel
sector declaration (around Katrina) with broad reverberations - COL
hikes on the likes of lettuce, chicken, milk, homes, etc.

Shipping is funny in a sense its integrity is linked to a magnitude of
banking, currencies, and commerce in general.

United States Postal Services couldn't take the heat a decade or more
ago, and went ballistic (postal) in conjuncture with UPS filling
alternative venues accountable for integral delivery of goods and
services. What USPS didn't lack to convey is the good faith granted a
quasi-constituted, regulatory affiliate of tax-based implementation,
something which the private sector forgoes for a competitive edge into
markets. What USPS did lack was a simple efficiency paired to
accountability people demand for services.

Last week, after duly following UPS guidelines (printed and contained
within a reference folder) for pricing customer fees, an authorized
UPS service representative turned around charged me in excess of $30
over what it cost to send the exact boxed item, I had identically
repackaged for return to the same issuing merchant.

A fluke? One can only hope (judging from the clerk's reaction).
There's a saying that goes around in the private sector: Piss off one
customer and you've pissed off ten.

Post by Tex
I've shipped heavy packages all over the world using DHL, UPS, &
FedEx, and can only recall two instances when anything was damaged. It
happens, but it's rare. Geez folks, do you think they could stay in
business damaging customer's goods?
In fact, I just shipped a commercial espresso machine to Milwaukee via
UPS. It was double boxed and padded with expanding foam in both boxes
and the total weight was 142#, just under the 150# UPS limit. It got
to it's destination in great shape & I wouldn't hesitate to use UPS
again.
That doesn't mean I'll use them to package my stuff; that would be an
added cost & I doubt the workers in the UPS Stores know enough about
packaging to protect my valuable goods.

[B***@yahoo.com]

Post by Flasherly
Last week, after duly following UPS guidelines (printed and contained
within a reference folder) for pricing customer fees, an authorized
UPS service representative turned around charged me in excess of $30
over what it cost to send the exact boxed item, I had identically
repackaged for return to the same issuing merchant.

The merchant probably had a contract with UPS that gave him a discount
for using UPS as his exclusive shipper. You don't ship enough for them
to offer you the same rate.

[pltrgyst]

Post by Flasherly
Double-boxed as often as not if it's going to be insured. Heavy,
oversized, may involve an another provider.
I stuck in my shirt pocket an invoice from a box shipped cross-
country, west to east coast, and went to a UPS authorized packaging
center. Called the merchant beforehand. "Take it to them," he said,
"UPS wants your business and will give you a good rate."
$50 from UPS provided forms and determinations, is what they came up
with for me.
Pulled out the merchant's invoice for $19, he paid shipping to me, and
said why. Aback, they took the merchant's ph# off the invoice, and
called him for his shipping account to charge the shipping. I lost
interest in why during the conversation, thanked him, and left.

C'mon, admit it -- you've copied your writing style from "A Confederacy of
Dunces," right?

-- Larry

[Tex]

Howdy Larry!
If I admitted to reading & enjoying it, would that cast aspersions on
my character? BTW, I always saw myself as George. ;)

RH

Post by pltrgyst

Post by Flasherly
Double-boxed as often as not if it's going to be insured. Heavy,
oversized, may involve an another provider.
I stuck in my shirt pocket an invoice from a box shipped cross-
country, west to east coast, and went to a UPS authorized packaging
center. Called the merchant beforehand. "Take it to them," he said,
"UPS wants your business and will give you a good rate."
$50 from UPS provided forms and determinations, is what they came up
with for me.
Pulled out the merchant's invoice for $19, he paid shipping to me, and
said why. Aback, they took the merchant's ph# off the invoice, and
called him for his shipping account to charge the shipping. I lost
interest in why during the conversation, thanked him, and left.

C'mon, admit it -- you've copied your writing style from "A Confederacy of
Dunces," right?
-- Larry

[*alan*]

It's been a long week and I'm not at my sharpest, Bob, but I don't really
understand your "doer vs talker" analogy. You "did" your own estimate by
consulting freight companies, I "did" my own inquiry by asking the seller.
You just erred in assuming the seller was going to be fair and honest with
his shipping and handling charges . . .
Interestingly enough, when I checked the websites I got the following
results for a 120 lb pkg (20"x20"x24") from Toronto to Houston: FedEx:
$150-$608, UPS: $166-$508, and DHL: $366 (for some reason, there didn't
appear to be an option to select grades of delivery on the DHL website).
Wonder how you came up with $130 on the same query? Maybe the discrepancy
is due to the zip code entered? What Canadian zip code did you enter? Or
perhaps you calc'd from Houston to Toronto? (They all charge more from
Toronto to Houston for some reason).
A moot point, in any case, as the seller clearly has his own ideas of what
he's going to charge you . . . .
--
alan

Post by Robert Harmon
See Alan, that's the difference between doers & talkers. I estimated the
shipping weight at 120 pounds (weight of machine & accessories plus double
carton packing) and went to the DHL, UPS, & FedEx web sites and got my own
estimates to ship it by ground from Toronto, Canada to Houston, Texas.
Goes to show you why you should always do your own homework & not copy off
of others.
--
Robert Harmon

Post by *alan*

Post by Robert Harmon
It's in Canada, but the price is OK. I estimated the shipping to be
~$130, shipped to Houston.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140164448019
--
Robert Harmon

$130.00 shipping? Just out of curiosity, I picked a Houston zip code at
random (77007) and asked the seller (as his ad advises). Pasted below is
"ups says that it may cost as much as $250 to $350 depending on the
service."
- pmunn1"
(I guess the seller is figuring in a LOT of handling . . . )
--
alan

[Tex]

Howdy Alan!
I apologize for the cranky reply. I get tired of the negative BS that
gets floated by folks with behavioral issues. Sometimes I mistake
honest criticism for the stuff coming from the cesspools of those
folks minds.

The seller doesn't make his living shipping things, once upon a time I
did. I always ask the pertinent questions and document the
communications. If he charges an exorbitant handling fee I'd file a
claim with PayPal/eBay. I have his email saying he will charge actual
shipping fees only.

The $130 estimate was figured three days ago. Today I recalculated it
& got $150 & up on UPS & FedEx, so I guess their fuel surcharge
changed again. I just picked a random Postal Code for Toronto from
http://www.mongabay.com/igapo/toronto_zip_codes.htm, and used 77584 in
Pearland. The shipping costs don't include any duties payable on
importing this to the States.

RH

Post by *alan*
It's been a long week and I'm not at my sharpest, Bob, but I don't really
understand your "doer vs talker" analogy. You "did" your own estimate by
consulting freight companies, I "did" my own inquiry by asking the seller.
You just erred in assuming the seller was going to be fair and honest with
his shipping and handling charges . . .
Interestingly enough, when I checked the websites I got the following
$150-$608, UPS: $166-$508, and DHL: $366 (for some reason, there didn't
appear to be an option to select grades of delivery on the DHL website).
Wonder how you came up with $130 on the same query? Maybe the discrepancy
is due to the zip code entered? What Canadian zip code did you enter? Or
perhaps you calc'd from Houston to Toronto? (They all charge more from
Toronto to Houston for some reason).
A moot point, in any case, as the seller clearly has his own ideas of what
he's going to charge you . . . .
--
alan

Post by Robert Harmon
See Alan, that's the difference between doers & talkers. I estimated the
shipping weight at 120 pounds (weight of machine & accessories plus double
carton packing) and went to the DHL, UPS, & FedEx web sites and got my own
estimates to ship it by ground from Toronto, Canada to Houston, Texas.
Goes to show you why you should always do your own homework & not copy off
of others.
--
Robert Harmon

Post by *alan*

Post by Robert Harmon
It's in Canada, but the price is OK. I estimated the shipping to be
~$130, shipped to Houston.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140164448019
--
Robert Harmon

$130.00 shipping? Just out of curiosity, I picked a Houston zip code at
random (77007) and asked the seller (as his ad advises). Pasted below is
"ups says that it may cost as much as $250 to $350 depending on the
service."
- pmunn1"
(I guess the seller is figuring in a LOT of handling . . . )
--
alan

[lockjaw]

"cranky?"

it is the scotch AND the insecurity talking. but then, why are we
even debating harmons expertise on shipping?

it does help get the number of posts per month up!

dave

[lockjaw]

Post by *alan*
- pmunn1"
(I guess the seller is figuring in a LOT of handling . . . )
--
alan

Whe in a pissing contest with harmon, you'll never have the last word.

[B***@yahoo.com]

Post by lockjaw
Whe in a pissing contest with harmon, you'll never have the last word.

This is unnecessary when you have enough of substance to add to the
conversation. I'd like to see you provide the knowledge you have and
not the axes that you have to grind.

--
BubbaRumDum
----------------------------------------------------------
|";Baseball is too much of a sport to be a business
| and too much of a business to be a sport"
| William Wrigley Jr.
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[n***@gmail.com]

Post by Robert Harmon
It's in Canada, but the price is OK. I estimated the shipping to be ~$130,
shipped to Houston.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140164448019
--
Robert Harmon
--
http://www.tinyurl.com/mb4uj - My coffee pages.
http://www.tinyurl.com/2tnv87 - My 'Guidelines For Newbies' page.
http://www.tinyurl.com/2cr3e2 - I have things for sale here.
http://www.tinyurl.com/235dfr - BUG is Bunn User's Group (espresso)

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